Ananias & Sapphira

[Libby]

Well said Tessa!

Only Jehovah can read hearts!

Dear Dallas,

And Jesus!

The WT 1/1/95 addressed the issue of Ananias and Sapphira and is a reference that is used by elders in their effort to judge repentance. This was discussed in the ministry school for elders a few years ago.
The issue was discerning between "Weakness" and "Wickedness".

How much simpler for the Apostles who obviously had holy spirit, eh?

Love, Libby

[Dallas]

Libby -

Points well taken.

Jesus certainly displayed the ability to read hearts on many occasions (Judas is the first that pops to mind).

Of course most elders would respond that they make their decisions with the benefit of holy spirit as well.
 *B*

Warm Brotherly Affection,
Dallas *@*

[Libby]

Dear Dallas,

I had been reading this in Rev 2:23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to YOU individually according to YOUR deeds.

Love, Libby

[Flowerpetal]

Ann:

Interesting...we all seem to be playing in the book of Acts!

If they had been granted the holy spirit ('anointed' with it) when they became Christians, they would KNOW that that deception was very wrong, but they went ahead thinking they could get away with it anyway

How does this fit with the annointed today who "fall away"?   Is that a sin against the HS?  So they forfeit their heavenly life, do they lose out on earthly life also for a sinful transgression?

 Imagine  8-]

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Hi Imagine!!
Well that depends on who or what they are falling away from.  Are they falling away from God or the organization?

My personal opinion is that there are no remaining ones of the 144,000 today.  You can't tell me that among all those people converted to Christianity before the apostasy, and since then, the ones who have stuck to the apostolic teachings faithfully, were so few in number, that God had to, in the late 19th and 20th century choose the remaining ones of that number.

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[Imagine]

Ann:

Interesting...we all seem to be playing in the book of Acts!

If they had been granted the holy spirit ('anointed' with it) when they became Christians, they would KNOW that that deception was very wrong, but they went ahead thinking they could get away with it anyway

How does this fit with the annointed today who "fall away"?   Is that a sin against the HS?  So they forfeit their heavenly life, do they lose out on earthly life also for a sinful transgression?

 Imagine  8-]

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Hi Imagine!!
Well that depends on who or what they are falling away from.  Are they falling away from God or the organization?

My personal opinion is that there are no remaining ones of the 144,000 today.  You can't tell me that among all those people converted to Christianity before the apostasy, and since then, the ones who have stuck to the apostolic teachings faithfully, were so few in number, that God had to, in the late 19th and 20th century choose the remaining ones of that number.

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Hey...Ann didn't answer me!!  Hmm...

Flowerpetal,

Anyway, we did some calculation on the last 2,000 years,  and the improbability of any of the 144K, (if one was to believe it is a literal number, which I see no evidence to that),  being alive.  I am most taken by the Christian martyrs...I just thought of Perpetua, a young nursing mother slain in the amphitheater...she saw right into heavenly glory, much like Stephen.  The executioner was so moved by her he could not bring himself to kill her, so she assisted him.  He too was converted on the spot.  I just love that story, but don't get a chance to tell it much.  

Imagine

[Libby]

Hi Imagine,

I'm also in accounting and would like 'books to balance'. So does one divide 144,000 by 2000 years and say the congregations averaged 72 true Christians per year?  

Love, Libby

[Imagine]

Hi Imagine,

I'm also in accounting and would like 'books to balance'. So does one divide 144,000 by 2000 years and say the congregations averaged 72 true Christians per year?  

Love, Libby

Or....what we know for sure...

12  - Apostles
120  -  Pentecost
7  -  Acts 6
60,000  -  Per pg 171 "Proclaimers" 1935 partakers
2  -  Russell & Rutherford

60,141 -  absolutely no question about it 100% documented annointed

83,859  Balance divided by 2,000 years...

41.9 per year

 

[Libby]

Dear Imagine,

Should we include Tyndale?

How about Galatinus? In 1520 "he mixed the vowels of [Lord] with the consonants of [YHWH], thus producing the hybrid form Jehovah, which has remained with us to this day." And by this, restoring God's name to the Bible. I'll bet a hat he was partaking, too.  

Love, Libby